Dark Ruler Ha Des vs Grapha and Machina Fortress

**tzaflidisp** Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:41 pm

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Dark Ruler Ha Des vs Grapha and Machina Fortress

tzaflidisp Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:41 pm

Dark Ruler Ha Des can negate the summoning procedure for monsters that can Special Summon themselves from the graveyard, regardless if they start a Chain or not. It's sort of a gray area that's still being questioned right now. The best understanding of it right now is that it is not really an effect, but a negatable..."condition." As, it's not really a condition either.

**Reaper of the Cards** Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:59 am

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Re: Dark Ruler Ha Des vs Grapha and Machina Fortress

Reaper of the Cards Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:59 am

There are certain conditions that can be negated, and others that cannot. In this case, Grapha's summoning condition functions like a continuous effect, which can be applied and it will not start a chain. All summoning conditions are like that. Note, that I am talking about summoning "conditions" and not summoning "restrictions". Summoning restrictions cannot be negated by anything, and are always applying.

For an example clarification between summoning conditions and summoning restrictions, compare Cyber Dragon's text to Dark Armed Dragon's.